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Cellfood Apocalypse?
03-26-2013, 07:30 PM
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Cellfood Apocalypse?
Subject: Cellfood apocalypse?
Author: Marie-Blanche

Hey Tom,

I do have a million questions for you. I have taken Cellfood and went through 2 hours of die-off. Seems to have cancelled my skin symptoms at first then they came on very strong; prickly dust in the skin, stinging like things are coming out. Scary thing is, its coming out from absolutely everywhere in the skin. Toes, soles, face, arms legs, belly... I do believe these are loads of toxins. Now I feel all sleepy and very tired.

1. Could you tell me what were your symptoms before the Cellfood?

2. How did you battle candida? What is your diet like?

3. How long have you been using Cellfood? You're still going through die-off every time?

4. Do you think it stops working? How does it kill off candida?

5. How does it get rid of toxins?

6. What did you mean when you said in the sauna "You should see what comes out of the skin"?

As I said, I think my skin is loaded with toxins produced by candida in my leaky gut. The minute I swallow anything, they all seem to "wake up"... Very weird. Like the toxins are directly linked to the digestive tract.

So at first Cellfood cancelled out skin symptoms, but then they came back.

Lets hope it keeps on working this thing, if I don't yet know what its doing.

Hope you answer soon, because I am almost excited.

Otherwise, yesterday I went to a top notch Chinese doctor - whose grandfather was doctor at imperial court and she studied with him from a very young age. So I was told she could find out anything wrong with me - if I had candida, she would know, and she would take good care of me...

Well I went - am now extremely skinny and very weak. So she examined me, and declared that I have the same kind of elements as Aids - inflammed liver, empty of energy, candida in the gut, blocked energy and humidity. She says it is impossible to treat me; am too weak for acupuncture or herbs. She also said my body is like torture. Don't I know.

Still she absolutely could not treat.

I was so very very despaired. She was my last hope.

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Subject: For Tom again
Author: Marie-Blanche

The Cellfood apocalypse message is adressed to you, Tom

Or actually anyone who's had experience with Cellfood.

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Subject: Re: For Tom again
Author: Victoria in NY

Hi Marie-Blanche. I have been using Cellfood cautiously on and off for a while now. Last time I had too much I had major die off. As far as I can tell, it is very effective. I am now trying to increase gradually, but I keep forgetting and am scared of having the die-off again . If I were you, I would keep using it! It sounds like it could be working for you. Also, have you tried a Far Infrared Sauna at all? I have a portable one that helped me sweat out a lot of toxins. When I first started using it, I got rashes all over from the toxins coming out, then I stopped getting the rashes. It also helped raise my body temp during die-off and got me over the die off more quickly. Good luck!

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Subject: Re: For Tom again
Author: Marie-Blanche

You haven't replied to all my questions!!

What exactly did you use Cellfood for? And why be afraid of die-off? It is a good sign. Just makes you sleepy and tired and for me, get this strange feeling dust coming trou my skin.

Also, when I talk about skin symptoms - its all inside the skin - nothing outside.

In any case, I can go to my publisher's house to get an infrared sauna. Haven't tried yet because I am now 49 kg (about 100pds) and extremely weak. I cannot walk to a street corner very often, can hardly shop for myself. In any case, one of the doctors whose medecine I take had advised against it precisely because I am so absolutely weak, I could faint. I dearly want to do it.

Please be more precise in your answers, am interested.

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Subject: @Marie-Blanche
Author: Treblinka

@Marie-Blanche

I searched for "zero carb" and one of your post came up. I'd like to know how long were you 0-carb and were the results any good?

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Subject: Re: @Marie-Blanche
Author: Marie-Blanche

Zero carbs is impossible I think. Vegetables contain carbs.

But strictly veggies and meat - for 10 months or so, and because candida persisted (but much less), I had my amalgams removed.

It did the trick. At that time.

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Subject: Re: @Marie-Blanche
Author: Treblinka

i see, thanks for the reply.

By the way, 0-carb is indeed possible, there's 2 forums (unrelated to candida) full of people on zero carb diet, some of them have been eating that way for years - they eat nothing but meat, that's it. They see carbs as poison.

Well, they have history on their side, our ancestors ate nothing but meat for ~5 million years in the African savanahs coz there was nothing else to eat!

Anyway, that diet is my very last hope, i've tried almost everything that's been discussed on curezone and nothing helped. A raw food diet helped a little but i lost so much weight that i look like an Auschwitz survivor and a raw food diet is too difficult to stick to. I find 0-carb alot easier and more enjoyable, it's only been 3 weeks tho.

I'm trying to find people who cured their candida with the 0-carb diet, i've found a few but nothing 100% conclusive yet. I was hoping you'd be one of them but i just read some of your posts and it appears you're still suffering, sorry. Btw, i'm from Quebec too! The doctors i've seen in Quebec City don't believe in Candida, i saw 2 naturopath too and well, i knew more about Candida than they did. Any luck in Montreal?

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Subject: Re: @Marie-Blanche
Author: Marie-Blanche

Hi I look like an Auschitz surrvivor too...

I wouldn't do zero carbs, sounds insane. I think you should get a proper test to determine if candida is your problem. I had them done abroad though. But they have them in the US.

Here in Mtl, there is one holistic doctor who treats candida - he helped me a bit before. He can prescribe chemicals or natural - which way is better. Last time, he prescribed to me Diflucan then went off on holiday during which my liver swelled.

He's good for some people though.

Otherwise there is a Chinese doctor in Chinatown who also gave me herbs for candida before. But now his medecine doesn't agree with me anymore. Or there's too many fucked up things in me.

By the way, raw food diet would be absolutely not recommended by TCM, because according to it, candida is a disease of dampness-heat. And raw food increases dampness in the body.

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Subject: Re: @Marie-Blanche
Author: Treblinka

"I wouldn't do zero carbs, sounds insane"

What if it was the only way to be cured?

Well, i'll let you know if it works. I intend to stay on that diet for at least 3 months.

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Subject: Re: @Marie-Blanche
Author: Polly

The Eskimos can live on only meat for a long time, but it is raw meat. I think there might be a problem if you try to live only on cooked meat. Also, it might be a problem if the diet were only muscle meat, and no organ meat. What are the people on the 0-carb list doing?

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Subject: Re: @Marie-Blanche
Author: Niles

I think eliminating carbs from your diet doesn't help to eliminate candida, it actually contributes to it. Anything that detracts from your overall health will empower opportunistic infections like candida. All cultures throughout the world eat meals based on the food pyramid, which includes a generous serving of carbs. Obviously there are special circumstances where you need to make modifications to that formula, but it is a good blueprint on how to eat. I've found that at times, to possibly correct an imbalance, I need to go to extremes in my diet - like eating all salads, or eliminating wheat, but I always return to food pyramid type eating.
Theoretically it makes sense that by excluding carbs you will starve out candida, but it just doesn't play out in the body. Go off carbs for a few months, and I bet you'll find your candida problems are not improved. Reducing your carbohydrate intake, I can see that, but completely eliminating them from your diet is an extreme diet, and extremes should be avoided, paticularly when you are unwell.

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Subject: 0-carb diet
Author: Treblinka

Niles, I'd agree with you if we were healthy: a balanced diet makes the most sense, that's how i'd eat too if i was healthy but i believe that very pyramid diet you speak of is what made me sick.

The people on 0-carb forum pretty much say the same thing, carbs make em sick. They only get relief on a 0-carb diet. They're not ideologists or meat fanatics - they had health problems and found the culprit: carbs.

What if there's small % of the population that's not adapted to eat carbs?

This is not directed at you personally but everyone: we shouldn't comment on wether this diet is healthy or not before doing our own research - its too easy to dismiss something out of ignorance, fear or what's contrary to popular belief.

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Subject: Re: @Marie-Blanche
Author: Treblinka

Poly, they eat muscle meat, cooked rare.

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Subject: Re: @Marie-Blanche
Author: Polly

Thank you Treblinka,

Interesting. With that diet, they are eating unbalanced amino acids. Adding some glycine and proline would help balance that profile out. Whether or not those amino acids would be tolerated, would be an individual experiment. I wonder, if any of them are low on taurine. Taurine should help them tolerate the high protein diet better.

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Subject: Re: For Tom again
Author: Victoria in NY

Hi Marie-Blanche. Sorry for my incomplete replies but I am a bit busy and a bit scatterbrained. Regarding the Cellfood die-off, I am a bit scared of it because I get very bad die-off reactions that seem to manifest largely in mood and severe brain fog. I become very emotional/depressed and irrational. It is impossible for me to be around anyone or work. I guess because I am well enough now to carry on some semblance of a normal life, I am reluctant to take something that will make me feel ill again, even though in the long run it is benficial. I think my bad die-offs are related to high levels of lead and possibly mercury, which I also need to address now that my candida is at least under control (as long as I am very strict with my diet!)

Regarding the sauna, maybe you could go into it for a very short period of time (say 3-5 minutes) and build up gradually as you tolerate it? Staying very hydrated and taking minerals could help as well. Don't go in by yourself in case you do faint!

Are you taking any supplements that could replace the nutrients you are not able to get from food? Maybe a greens supplement or a good food-based multi?

Regarding carbs, I can only tolerate meats and low-carb veggies. Without any raw veggies, I think there is a danger of your body becoming (or remaining) too acidic, which candida love. Mineral water is alkalizing, and taking a buffered vit C powder can help alkalize too in the absence of raw foods or other alkaline-forming foods. Could you tolerate raw sauerkraut?

Regarding Cell Food and oxygen, I have read much about the benefits of various oxygen therapies in the treatment of candida and other illnesses. From what I understand, candida cannot live in an oxygen-rich environment. I believe this is why the Cell Food is so effective. I am also looking into the H2O2 therapy mentioned by Tom, as using an oxygen bar and ozone treatments.

About the sauna at your publishers? Is it a Far Infrared (FIR) Sauna? I would guess it is not. These are a special kind of sauna that do not get as hot as conventional saunas and penetrate more deeply to draw out toxins stored in the skin and body tissues. My doctor said conventional saunas would be too stressful on my body, but I had good luck with FIR.
They can be purchased online at Amazon for about $300 US, but I realize you may not be able to afford this right now. If I ever come up that way, I will bring my FIR sauna for you to use!

Good luck! Sounds like you are on the right track.

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Subject: Victoria.
Author: Marie-Blanche

Hi Victoria,

Yes I may try raw sauerkraut, sounds like a good idea... I haven't given up on raw veggies.

I am looking for a supplement like Greens or something that would feed me; but all these Greens and all are loaded with carbs, Fos, etc. Problem.

I dream of die-off like yours... Mood is no big deal, you could meditate it away; or view it as empty.

It is an infrared sauna. I was going to go today, but am too completely empty of all energy; been in bed all day too weak to walk. Too worried about my circumstances which are not at all conducive to healing.

But for detox, I found a way: I cover myself with clay and let it dry. Its messy, but it pulls out a lot. And I get relief for one day.

I ordered Custom Probiotics, they are incredible high count and do implants - directly into the colon. You feel it right away. My intestine is very damaged, and I think completely devoid of all good flora. It made a difference with the skin symptoms.

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Subject: Green formula
Author: Marie-Blanche

Forgot to ask,

Do you know a Green formula that would be ok for candida persons?

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Subject: Re: Cellfood apocalypse?
Author: Tom

I do have a million questions for you. I have taken Cellfood and went through 2 hours of die-off. Seems to have cancelled my skin symptoms at first then they came on very strong; prickly dust in the skin, stinging like things are coming out. Scary thing is, its coming out from absolutely everywhere in the skin. Toes, soles, face, arms legs, belly... I do believe these are loads of toxins. Now I feel all sleepy and very tired.
(Sounds to me like systemic candida, I get those same symptoms especially if I eat a high glycemic food, also stress can do this, feeling sleepy and tired is good, its a sign that the cell food is woking.)

1. Could you tell me what were your symptoms before the Cellfood?
(I don't have the gut symptoms anymore and the brain fog and other symtoms are greatly improved. The problem I have now is the hyphae form that has moved into the lymph system , this is very tough to get rid of but I am seeing progress.)

2. How did you battle candida? What is your diet like?
( I don't follow a strict diet, just try to stay away from simple carbohydrates and I fail at that a lot. It would take a book to list everything I have tried, most of it was a waste of time and money.)

3. How long have you been using Cellfood? You're still going through die-off every time?
(I've been using it on and off now for about two months. I will continue with it for ever how long it takes increasing the dosage as I go. This is the only thing I've found that shows it can work against the hyphae.)

4. Do you think it stops working? How does it kill off candida?
(I don't think it loses it's effectiveness, you might not see dramatic changes after a while but the terrain is still unfriendly to candida. This is going to take a long time to see a complete cure but I do believe it will happen. It kills candida with the high oxygen content of the blood.)

5. How does it get rid of toxins?
(This works against pathogens, there are other ways to eliminate toxins, the cleanses and soaks for example.)

6. What did you mean when you said in the sauna "You should see what comes out of the skin"?
(The first time I did a long soak with the Miracle II soap, the residue in the tub looked like tar, this got less and less and now there is nothing. The saunas after the soak just enhances the process.)

As I said, I think my skin is loaded with toxins produced by candida in my leaky gut. The minute I swallow anything, they all seem to "wake up"... Very weird. Like the toxins are directly linked to the digestive tract.
(Candida loves sugar, all carbohydrates are converted to sugar it's just how fast they are converted is the difference between simple and complex carbohydrates. You might try a high protein diet for a few days and see how it affects you, then go to all complex carbohydrates but mostly protein.)

So at first Cellfood cancelled out skin symptoms, but then they came back.
(Keep it up, increase the dosage and see if you can tolerate it, stop and rest if it gets too bad and go back, you will find the right level for that time. I would also get some aloe vera juice, mix it 10 drops to one ounce and use this all over the body (don't get it in the eyes), do this after the soaks and saunas.)

Lets hope it keeps on working this thing, if I don't yet know what its doing.
(Cell food works at the cellular level, it has to be absorbed into the bloodstream, this is why it's so important to be taken up sublingually. If you want something to kill candida on contact in the digestive track I would suggest the 35% hydrogen peroxide, go a round with this, do the cleanses and go heavy on the probiotics, it's a long drawn out process to displace candida that has adhered to the gut wall and replace it with friendly organisms.)

Hope you answer soon, because I am almost excited.

Otherwise, yesterday I went to a top notch Chinese doctor - whose grandfather was doctor at imperial court and she studied with him from a very young age. So I was told she could find out anything wrong with me - if I had candida, she would know, and she would take good care of me...
(I think the only ones who truly know about this are the ones who have experienced it. Don't expect to find a guru who can answer all your questions and provide a miracle cure, this is a condition where you have to take responsibililty and do it on your own, it can be done, don't forget that or let up.)

Well I went - am now extremely skinny and very weak. So she examined me, and declared that I have the same kind of elements as Aids - inflammed liver, empty of energy, candida in the gut, blocked energy and humidity. She says it is impossible to treat me; am too weak for acupuncture or herbs. She also said my body is like torture. Don't I know.
( I would take that with a grain of salt, your body knows the road back you just have to remove what made you sick and replace it with what will make you well.)

Still she absolutely could not treat.

I was so very very despaired. She was my last hope.
(You are wrong, you know more about what is going on with your body than she does, go with you instinct.)

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Subject: Re: Cellfood apocalypse?
Author: Marie-Blanche

Hey Tom,
Thanks for your answer.

But how do you know that candida has moved into your lymph system in its fungal form?

By the way, do you think Cellfood kills good bacteria? It has some antibacterial effects, and it is maintained that it kills off bad bacteria, not good ones. As far as am concerned, when something kills bacteria, it doesn't distinguish between good or bad, no?

Also, I am on high protein diet. Only meat and vegetables. Actually, only turkey, white fish and vegetables. Am starving. It makes me totally weak.

But if I have any carb at all, the yeast explodes in the gut and then the skin symptoms are terrible.

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Subject: Re: Cellfood apocalypse?
Author: Tom

How do you know if you have the Hyphae form? You will see some outward signs but the question is, how long has it been there before it shows these signs. I had an outbreak at the corner of my mouth, this formed a white mass just under the skin and you could see the white germ tube extending out from it. Also, I could feel the germ tubes inside my mouth with my tongue and small white pustules appeared on my eyelids. The later signs were large brown spots on both my legs and arms located in the same spot on both legs and arms, these would at times scale over, become inflamed and then go back to what looked like tanned skin. You can also press your lips with your tongue and look for white spots.
The friendly bacteria in the digestive track is Aerobic, meaning it can survive in an oxygen enviroment, most pathogenic bacteria is anaerobic, meaning it survives in a low oxygen enviroment. There is controversy about whether candida is aerobic or anaerobic, some say its anaerobic and some say its both. The only thing I can say about that is, the first real improvement I saw was when I took a course of the H202, so in my mind oxygen will kill candida.

Tom
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